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By: An Angry Little Troll | Relativity OnLine

An Angry Little Troll | Relativity OnLine — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:00:23 +0000

[...] was doing little more than fighting with the RELATIVTY OnLine community. (See Being Godless or even Top Ten Unwinnable Arguments to get a general idea.) When I let “Harbortenors” know some thought he or she was a [...]

By: Harbortenors

Harbortenors — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:59:23 +0000

I agree, if the debate is between two people who are not aware of the facts then the debate between creation and evolution cannot be won. But the point is, the debate has been won on every occasion it really counts and where experts are involved. Every time there has been a litigation in the law courts to teach creation or its spawn, intelligent design, Evolution has had a resounding victory: The Scropes trial of 1925, the Epperson trial of 1968, the Mozert vs Hawkins trial of 1987, the Edwards vs Aguillard trial of 1987. These and numerous other trials pitting Creation against Evolution has seen religious boards suffer comprehensive defeats — simply because the evidence for Evolution is so overwhelming that even the Vatican and the Anglican church have come to accept its veracity.

At any rate, when people say “Creation” it wouldn’t be unfair to ask them which creation? Is it the Babylonian myth of man made from mud and woman from the first man’s rib? Is it the Serbian myth in which the first men were made from the sweat of the gods? Is it the Japanese myth where men were made from curdling the ocean? Is it the West African myth in which men were sent down on the rainbow serpent?

By: Editor-in-Chief

Editor-in-Chief — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:01:36 +0000

We are not talking about what is truth or not, we are talking about whether or not there is debate (whether one thinks its serious or not, is relative to the individual. No one individual or even one group gets to decise whether or not it is) and whether or not this argument can be won. It simply can’t…

By: Harbortenors

Harbortenors — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:03:42 +0000

Editor-in-chief
A large number of people who believe a proposition no more makes the proposition true any more than a large number of people who contract a disease makes the disease good.

A thousand years ago, practically everyone believed the earth was flat. Today, we have the flat earth society who believe that saying the earth is round is just one big conspiracy theory. One wouldn’t say there is a _serious_ debate to be had on the issue. Same with evolution and creation. Billions there may be who believe in creation, but the fact remains that a _valid_ debate doesn’t exist–any more than a valid debate exists between the Sun as a god and the Sun as a ball of hydrogen and helium.

Euthanasia, capital punishment… these are opinions on issues of morality and politics and are therefore amenable to debate. Points of fact are not.

By: Editor-in-Chief

Editor-in-Chief — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:52:28 +0000

There is no debate between between Evolution and Creation? What would you say to the billions all over the world who disagree with you? It sounds like you would cross your arms and say something like “I’m right, you’re wrong and I know it so I am not engaging in a debate with you about it.”

Ummm… ok you win.

By: Harbortenors

Harbortenors — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:31:17 +0000

If you have Evolution vs Creation then you might as well have flat earth theory vs round earth theory; sex vs the stork theory; and gravity vs the divine pull theory (or as some like to call it, intelligent falling).

The point is that there is no debate between between Evolution and Creation. One is based on evidence that can be viewed by anyone and the other is based on individual and private faith.

The reason why brilliant minds like Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould have refused to debate creationists is because merely being seen on the same platoform with reputable scientists gives creationists the credence they seek for their mythical understanding of the origins of life.

But I agree, the other nine debates are non-winable; you can argue about them till the cows come home.